1. Touch him - to proof he still has flesh and bone
2. He want to eat- spirit doesnt eat food
Luke 24: 36 -43
37-But they were startled and frightened, thinking they had seen a spirit. ( they thought Jesus has die on the cruxifiction)
38- “Why are you troubled, Jesus asked, “and why do doubts arise in your hearts?
39- Look at My hands and My feet. It is I Myself. Touch Me and see — for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.”( Jesus clearly state he's not the spirit and spirit does not have flesh and bones)
40-And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and feet. ( demand to proof himself)
41-While they were still in disbelief because of their joy and amazement (the desciples really thought their master has die) , He asked them,“Do you have anything here to eat?”
42-So they gave Him a piece of broiled fish,
43-and He took it and ate it in front of them. (second proof he was not the spirit)
JESUS DIDN'T DIE ON THE CROSS (SUBTITLE: INDONESIAN)
Christians understand the 'OPPOSITE' of what is in the bible!
Jesus was“ALIVE” not ressurected
Acts 1:3
After His suffering, He presented Himself to them with many convincing proofs that He was alive. He appeared to them over a span of forty days and spoke about the kingdom of God.
Mark 16:11
Jesus Appears to Mary Magdalene
…10-She went and told those who had been with Him, who were now mourning and weeping.
11-And when they heard that Jesus was alive and she had seen Him, they did not believe it.
12-After this,Jesus appeared in a different form to two of them as they walked along in the country.
13-And they went back and reported it to the rest, but they did not believe them either.
Luke 24:22-23 Revised Standard Version (RSV)
Moreover, some women of our company amazed us. They were at the tomb early in the morning and did not find his body; and they came back saying that they had even seen a vision of angels, who said that he was alive.
Did God Die for Our Sins? - Sh. Dr. Shabir Ally Vs Jay Smith
The one who decide the cruxifiction is the jews not jesus
61-But Jesus remained silent and made no reply. Again the high priest questioned Him, “Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?”
62-“I am, said Jesus, “and you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power and coming with the clouds of heaven.”
63-At this, the high priest tore his clothes and declared, “Why do we need any more witnesses?
64- You have heard the blasphemy. What is your” verdict? And they all condemned Him as deserving of death.
John 8: 39-41
39 “Abraham is our father,” they answered.
“If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would[b] do what Abraham did.
40 As it is, you are looking for a way to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things.
41 You are doing the works of your own father.”
"Jesus" unwillingly to be sacrificed
Matthew 27:46 King James Version (KJV)
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Psalm 22:1 Revised Standard Version (RSV)
My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Why art thou so far from helping me, from the words of my groaning?
"Jesus" unwillingly to be sacrificed
Matthew 27:46 King James Version (KJV)
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Psalm 22:1 Revised Standard Version (RSV)
My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Why art thou so far from helping me, from the words of my groaning?
Forgiveness by blood?
Hebrews 9:22
22- According to the Law, in fact, nearly everything must be purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.23- So it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these sacrifices, but the heavenly things themselveswith better sacrifices than these.
it state NEARLY everything which means almost everything so there is an exception.
God doesn't require blood
Isaiah 1:11"What are your multiplied sacrifices to Me?" Says the LORD. "I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams And the fat of fed cattle; And I take no pleasure in the blood of bulls, lambs or goats.
God doesn’t take forgiveness from the blood of animal the sacrifices of the animal because the the sacrifices of the animal just symbolize our willingness to make sacrifices..the true sacrifices is our own will which is sincerity
Matthew 27:50
50-When Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, He yielded up His spirit.51-At that moment the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth quaked and the rocks were split.
52-The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised.
53-AfterJesus’ resurrection, when they had come out of thetombs, they entered the holy city and appeared to many people.
Did Matthew write Gospel of Matthew?
A serious forgery in Luke 24:44-48 about Jesus
Let us look at Luke 24:44-48 from the NIV Bible:
Luke 24:44-48 NIV Bible:
44 -He said to them, "This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms."45 -Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.
46 - He told them, "This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,
47- and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
48 - You are witnesses of these things.
There is a serious forgery in Luke 24:44-48! It says that it is written in the Law of Moses (i.e., the Torah) that Jesus will die and resurrect on the third day. Where's in the entire Old Testament (not just in the 5 books of Moses that make up the Law of Moses or the Torah) do you have that?! Show me one Old Testament verse that prophesized about Jesus' third day resurrection?
Source:
The preaching of Peter upon the Crowd
Acts 2:31 King James Version (KJV)
He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Acts 2:31 King James Version (KJV)
He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
The word kataleipo means...
1) to leave behind
a) to depart from, leave
1) to be left
b) to bid (one) to remain
c) to forsake, leave to one's self a person or thing by ceasing to care for it, to abandon, leave in the lurch
1) to be abandoned, forsaken
d) to cause to be left over, to reserve, to leave remaining
e) like our "leave behind", it is used of one who on being called away cannot take another with him
1) especially of the dying (to leave behind)
f) like our "leave", leave alone, disregard
1) of those who sail past a place without stopping
Source: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/2/1147370736-9394.html
So basically this word means to be "left over" somewhere. So that means that the thing being left over was already there.
The word hades means...
1) name Hades or Pluto, the god of the lower regions
2) Orcus, the nether world, the realm of the dead
3) later use of this word: the grave, death, hell
In Biblical Greek it is associated with Orcus, the infernal regions, a dark and dismal place in the very depths of the earth, the common receptacle of disembodied spirits. Usually Hades is just the abode of the wicked, Lu. 16:23, Rev. 20:13,14; a very uncomfortable place.
Luke 16:23
23-In Hades, where he was in torment,he looked up and saw Abraham from afar, with Lazarus by his side.24- So he cried out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue. For I am in agony in this fire.’
Revelation 20:13
The sea gave up its dead, and Death and Hades gave up their dead, and each one was judged according to his deeds.Source: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/8/1147369484-2683.html
Basically what the verse is saying is that Jesus' soul was not left over or remained in hell. However, this shows and proves that his soul was indeed there at a point in time. Bible commentator Matthew Henry says...
Thou wilt not leave my soul in hell’’ (in hades, in the invisible state, so hades properly signifies); "but, though thou suffer it for a time to remove thither, and to remain there, yet thou wilt remand it; thou wilt not leave it there, as thou dost the souls of other men.’’ (Matthew Henry Complete Commentary on the Whole Bible, Source)
So basically Jesus' soul was in hell for a period of time but did not remain there just as it would be for other men (the sinners I am assuming). But the very idea that Jesus' soul was in hell for a period of time is news to me!
So the verses Acts 2:31 about Jesus resurrection gonna be suspicious for the translation in both Greek and English..the Idea of Hades itself came from the idea of Romans pagan gods so the influence of those has been applied within the translation of the new testament in greek…its not imposibble to applied something else in the Gospel ..the honesty of the translator and how it has been translated should be questionized
http://www.answering-christianity.com/bassam_zawadi/jesus_went_to_hell.htm
TWO JESUS during the crucifixion
Matthew 27:17 King James Version (KJV)
Therefore when they were gathered together, Pilate said unto them, Whom will ye that I release unto you? Barabbas, or Jesus which is called Christ?
(Mark 15:6-11; Luke 23:13-25 King James Version (KJV))
15-Now at that feast the governor was wont to release unto the people a prisoner, whom they would. 16-And they had then a notable prisoner, called Barabbas.
17-Therefore when they were gathered together, Pilate said unto them, Whom will ye that I release unto you? Barabbas, or Jesus which is called Christ?
18- For he knew that for envy they had delivered him.
Matthew 27:11-17 New Revised Standard
11 Now Jesus stood before the governor; and the governor asked him, "Are you the King of the Jews?" Jesus said, "You say so." 12 But when he was accused by the chief priests and elders, he did not answer.
13 Then Pilate said to him, "Do you not hear how many accusations they make against you?"
14 But he gave him no answer, not even to a single charge, so that the governor was greatly amazed. 15 Now at the festival the governor was accustomed to release a prisoner for the crowd, anyone whom they wanted.
16 At that time they had a notorious prisoner, called Jesus Barabbas.
17 So after they had gathered, Pilate said to them, "Whom do you want me to release for you, Jesus Barabbas or Jesus who is called the Messiah?"
18 For he realized that it was out of jealousy that they had handed him over.
19 While he was sitting on the judgment seat, his wife sent word to him, “Have nothing to do with that innocent man, for today I have suffered a great deal because of a dream about him.”
20 Now the chief priests and the elders persuaded the crowds to ask for Barabbas and to have Jesus killed. 21 The governor again said to them, “Which of the two do you want me to release for you?” And they said, “Barabbas.” (Son of the Father)
22 Pilate said to them, “Then what should I do with Jesus who is called the Messiah?”[j] All of them said, “Let him be crucified!” 23 Then he asked, “Why, what evil has he done?” But they shouted all the more, “Let him be crucified!”
24 So when Pilate saw that he could do nothing, but rather that a riot was beginning, he took some water and washed his hands before the crowd, saying, “I am innocent of this man’s blood;[k] see to it yourselves.” 25 Then the people as a whole answered, “His blood be on us and on our children!” 26 So he released Barabbas for them; and after flogging Jesus, he handed him over to be crucified.
Suprisingly Barabbas is not the name but A NOUN !!!
Jesus Barabbas
Bar = son of...
+
Abbas = Father
= Son of the Father
Jesus the Messiah (the Annointed)
Did Allah deceive Christians into believing in the crucifixion? Shadid Lewis and Vocab Malone
Who carried the Cross??? (Contradiction Detected)
Luke 23:26 Revised Standard Version (RSV)
And as they led him away, they seized one Simon of Cyre′ne, who was coming in from the country, and laid on him the cross, to carry it behind Jesus.
John 19:17 Revised Standard Version (RSV)
So they took Jesus, and he went out, bearing his own cross, to the place called the place of a skull, which is called in Hebrew Gol′gotha.
But the father without birth and without name, perceiving that they would be destroyed, sent his own first-begotten Nous (he it is who is called Christ) to bestow deliverance on those who believe in him, from the power of those who made the world. He appeared, then, on earth as a man, to the nations of these powers, and wrought miracles. Wherefore he did not himself suffer death, but Simon, a certain man of Cyrene, being compelled, bore the cross in his stead; so that this latter being transfigured by him, that he might be thought to be Jesus, was crucified, through ignorance and error, while Jesus himself received the form of Simon, and, standing by, laughed at them.
Source:http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103124.htm
The Savior said to me, "He whom you saw on the tree, glad and laughing, this is the living Jesus. But this one into whose hands and feet they drive the nails is his fleshly part, which is the substitute being put to shame, the one who came into being in his likeness. But look at him and me."
Source:http://gnosis.org/naghamm/apopet.html
Is Jesus's CRUCIFIXION a HISTORICAL FACT? The Quran's DENIAL - Answering Christians!
Extra Information:
Original Lectures of Dr Jerald Dirks and Ali Ataie in the links below:
Ustadh Ali Ataie - Jesus in Islam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dLTO...
Dr. Jerald Dirks - Islam and Christianity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JlSd...
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References:
1. 2nd Treatise of the Great Seth
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/2seth.html
2. Against Heresies - Church Father Iraneus
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103...
3. Letter to the Trallians - Ignatius
http://earlychristianwritings.com/sra...
4. Apocalypse of Peter
http://gnosis.org/naghamm/apopet.html
Dr Jerald Dirk's video on two Jesus during CRUCIFIXION:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwWi2...
Paul admitted that he is the one who proclaimed this idea!!! (Beware !!!)
Paul himself had amitted
that the resurrection of jesus was affirmed by his own gospel. This fact
has been evident in the following biblical passages...He is the one who
innovated this idea :
Acts 17:18
Some Epicurean and Stoicphilosophers also began to debate with him. Some of
them asked, “What is this babbler trying to say?” whileothers said, “He seems
to be advocating foreign gods.”They said this because PAUL WAS PROCLAIMING THE
GOOD NEWS OF JESUS AND THE RESURRECTION.
2 Timothy 2:8
Remember
Jesus Christ,raised from the dead, descended from David, AS PROCLAIMED BY MY
GOSPEL,
1 Corinthians 15:14 Revised Standard Version (RSV)
if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain and your faith is in vain.
Jesus Prayed to be SAVED !!!
Psalm 116:1 New International Version (NIV)
Psalm 116
I love the Lord, for he heard my voice;
he heard my cry for mercy.
Psalm 116:2-3 New International Version (NIV)
Because he turned his ear to me,
I will call on him as long as I live.
The cords of death entangled me,
the anguish of the grave came over me;
I was overcome by distress and sorrow.
Psalm 116:6 New King James Version (NKJV)
The Lord preserves the simple;
I was brought low, and He saved me.
Matthew 26:39 King James Version (KJV)
And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup (death) pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
John 11:41-42 King James Version (KJV)
41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.
42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.
Hebrews 5:7 - Jesus PRAYED to be SAVED! Do Christians have a VALID RESPONSE? Br. Zakir v Dr. White
Jesus Prayed to be SAVED !!!
Psalm 116:1 New International Version (NIV)
Psalm 116
I love the Lord, for he heard my voice;
he heard my cry for mercy.
Psalm 116:2-3 New International Version (NIV)
Because he turned his ear to me,
I will call on him as long as I live.
The cords of death entangled me,
the anguish of the grave came over me;
I was overcome by distress and sorrow.
Psalm 116:6 New King James Version (NKJV)
The Lord preserves the simple;
I was brought low, and He saved me.
Matthew 26:39 King James Version (KJV)
And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup (death) pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
John 11:41-42 King James Version (KJV)
41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.
42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.
Hebrews 5:7 - Jesus PRAYED to be SAVED! Do Christians have a VALID RESPONSE? Br. Zakir v Dr. White
The Messiah was supposedly saved by God !!!
(The Old Testament Prophecy)
Psalm 20:6 Revised Standard Version (RSV)
Now I know that the Lord will help his anointed;
he will answer him from his holy heaven
with mighty victories by his right hand.
Hebrews 5:7 King James Version (KJV)
Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
Behold !!! The True Answer by God
And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain.
(Quran.4:157)
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 King James Version (KJV)
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
More info:
The Gospel of Barnabas:http://www.sacred-texts.com/isl/gbar/index.htm
Muhammad & the Cruxifiction:http://www.sacred-texts.com/isl/gbar/gbar112.htm
